The 2020 cristian massacre was committed by a couple of men who were definitively altered in their state and heard voices etc. I think the most important photos were not the daytime ones; I think the most important photos were some of the legible nighttime ones. Two young women, who dont take any risks, go for a trip in the jungle and get lost in a mysterious way? Its all speculation until more answers are found. Also, the other ones arent covered by man-made support structures. Rocko Akira Clapp. I see the nose and mouth and possibly and eye, like they were trying to hide from the girls or camera and peaking behind branches creepy. The reason being, many people assume that shes leaning over and looking down at the rock before her. She clearly thinks shes found something amazing. The hanging object and other points of interest you highlighted reminded me of this. In the picture of her in the Cave? One obvious question - has anybody ever found the place that is in this photograph. What confuses this is that after Kriss phone dies then on the 5th during the afternoon SOS attempt a wrong pin is input on Lisannes phone and indeed continues to be input until the end. Sometimes that is all that is found. I look forward to learning more and you do valuable humane work helping other young adventurers. Two days pass. Ive written about dozens of stories involving incompetence of law enforcement in disappearance cases. I would think they had to be pretty far into the jungle to have come across that slat roof structure. I do think it looks like red flowers growing through the structure, and whilst I agree that it does look like there is some sort of symbol on the tree, after studying her pose from the photo above, I dont think she would be acting / posing like that if there was a creepy ass symbol scrawled into the tree! Also theres a distinct small x made of branches or plastic in the top-mid right corner of the pic amongst the foliage that looks a part of the make shift roof/net. In reality, I dont think someone would go to this extent. This level of negligence and irresponsibility would be considered criminal in a developed country. It suggest that this case goes deeper than we imagine. The grimace on Kris face is because she is in pain. There are . The attacker could have taken the photos to confuse the authorities and the public. Sadly, shortly after, she meets someone she fears and call the police. as a hiker myself, it would be totally unnatural to hold your hands behind your back in that way AND bend your body AND twist your body out of alignment. Please remember to be considerate of the two girls that lost their lives and their families. Debra Ann Velleman, of Waukesha, Wis., and Sue Borries, of Teutopolis, Ill., are missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama on Jan. 3, 2022. No accident. Was the reception that bad in those locations? It seems too strange to be an accident. The photos showed the girls belongings spread out on rocks, along with plastic bags and candy wrappers, mounds of dirt, and a mirror. The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. The picture where she is crossing the stream and looking back, her smile looks forced. Both of their phones finally ran out of battery by April 11 - ten days after they disappeared. Im curious. If it is not possible to join those two points together then that would at least shine light on the possibility that a third party was involved at some point leading to the appauling possibility that they genuinely were lost for some time (until the 5th?) (The photos where the sky is suddenly cloudy). The predator is methodical. If I remember correctly half of a pelvic bone was found that belong to the other girl so I think we should give the other girl some thought. Alex Humphrey: British tourist missing in Panama - The Guardian With regards to the photos, they are probably real. Very interesting and completely changed my mind. It may be a plant, but it appears to have a definitive shape and its oddly located that the very center of the path with no other visible red things in the trees. Lisanne sets up a SOS with toilet paper and a mirror, hoping to get the attention of the helicopters. The photo to me appears that she simply is bending over to get the sun out of her eyes, with her right hand help up to shield the sun. I previously read that online, although it was a while ago and I cant remember where I read that. After investigating further, I discovered this article from the LA Times: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-18/cult-anointed-by-god-kills-7-in-panama-jungle, The LA Times article states The sect arose after a villager returned to the community several months ago following a stint abroad, bringing back unusual religious beliefs with him.. It was the last time anyone saw the women alive. Your email address will not be published. It seems to be made up of white paint, at least like a tribal looking face of white paint. That is the big picture of this case. In other pictures of her crossing water she is clearly dirty with her hair up. You highlight the importance of fastidiousness in the articles that I reference. I think its equally powerful just to disprove the official theory. There is one thing I have wondered about, when did the dog leave them? How come nobody ever says anything about the other girls bones and and what she was doing while these pictures were being taken of Chris that was way ahead of her ? As well as lots of other things It shows her right arm more clearly and it looks as though there is something square where you would expect her right elbow to be strange. They provide a live accounting of missing-persons cases. Was the dog fed and watered by a family as opposed to being one of the many feral dogs in Latin America? People began to suspect something happened whenthe dog Blue returned from the hike unaccompanied. They took the dog with them on the walk and it came back the next morning but they didnt there had to have been some clues maybe like how far could the dog have gone and still find its way back home? After the backpack was found the family got to see the pictures and the case was ruled an accident presumably the 30 or so pics the family didnt release showed the girls in bad shape,, the case went from foul play to accident after the pics were seen.. the pic of the girls hair was put on internet by her brother or something like that and was quickly photoshopped , the wound and eye were concealed. According to ageographicalexpert, the three-mile stretch is relatively easy to explore, and most missing tourists return without assistance or come across search parties looking for them. Hi Tom, I believe you intended to comment above, on @SwordOfGods comment. Some people believe the two girls got lost lost, some people believe the third-party theory and some people have mixed theories. Kris has somewhat prominent cheeks and a full lower lip. Why werent those outgoing calls being completed? Are any of you familiar with the missing 411 phenomena? Kids in the area could have found the backpack and were just messing around with the camera. But they are hurt and they are lost. It was taken on the Continental Divide exactly 14 minutes and 12 seconds after their photos at the Mirador. If anything, they work harder to try and bring anyone to justice that harms a tourist. Depending on how many mobile towers there are the police should have information. History is not a science but it can include some science. Highly probable. I just want to agree with Chris and the poster JW that she is shading her eyes with her right arm up. Ive considered a number of possibilities on the pictures. I believe that the case was handled so poorly that it leads one to believe that it was intentionally handled as such. No chance. Someone in the comments put the link to your website thats how I found you! Please support us we cant do it without you. Im not understanding why they bothered to create a cover story. The day before theguided tour, however, they decided to explore the area surrounding the activeBarVolcano towards the Continental Divide. And theyre gaining steam in recent years. She is clearly shielding her eyes from the sun by holding her right arm up. Its perfectly normal and had they not tragically passed, its the type of photo theyd have been joking about later. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_JheETl6Obg. I think whoever was behind the (likely) murders wanted it to seem like they went missing due to being lost on the pianista trail. Two months after the backpack was found, a pelvic bone and foot still inside a boot were discovered in the same area, according to La Estrella de Panama. They know that youre supposed to find a river, so they set out in search. It also looks like that red item is around her neck as well. Of course, nobody knows exactly why things happened. Even on my iPhone I could make it big enough to see odd things in the pic. So, when locals look at you sideways as they glance, glare, or even stare at your shorts and sandals, do not be offended or surprised. For the next four days they travel. Interesting that you. There just seems to be something wrong about this photo, and I dont like her expression. However, regarding Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, Id need to know more about their personality to make this determination. And more on this most people in Latin America that permit their dog to walk freely do not keep track of where their dog goes. The structure at the back of this small ravine looks like a hideout that a military man might make, as part of survival training in the jungle. After cops searched the area where the backpack was found, they discovered Kris' clothes neatly folded along the edge of the river. Thats why Kris stops in photos once in a while as if to say this way, right?. Seems strange. "Those flash floods made staging scenes or strategically placing items impossible.". I dont think so. A serious accident.immediategetting lost just building panic. However, Dutch authors Marja West and Jrgen Snoeren claim they have solved the mystery in their bookLost in The Jungle. There is no traces of them anywhere. To touch on the disappearance case of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, we can vividly see the incompetence that took place, even under the spotlight of international pressure. Hi Justin, Well done the image is really sharp now. Most of the tourists come from the United States, Canada, Europe, Central America, and South America. Is there somebody behind the insignia? Yes, thank you, Sue. This backpack suddenly showed up 2 months after the disappearing. . For example, I visited numerous hostels in Panama and the hostels that have dogs usually permit their dogs to roam freely outside of the house and to come and go as they please. Everyone is already aware that there are many unfortunate possibilities of what could have happened to Kris and Lisanne. This case is certainly not finished. On April 1, 2014, two students from the Netherlands namedLisanneFroon and Kris Kremers went on a hike in Panama with a dog. Theres a circular object hanging to the left of Kris. I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PIT PICTURE FOR YEARS, YOU CLEARLY SEE A GATELIKE STRUCTURE OVER THE PIT. I think the look on her face isnt scared, but she looks to maybe be in wonder that they found a place like that? Auto Reset and Continuous. This is relevant because if the camera was on Auto Reset and 509 was deleted before 510 was taken, then the camera would use image 509 again. I noticed this too. For this websites credibility I would strongly recommend more thorough moderation of peoples comments. You can even see clear rods in the red areas towards the top going straight through. The ground is littered with leaves, twigs, and stones. The tragic deaths of Kris and Lisanne remain a disturbing mystery. Either way, itll be interesting to see. They probably came off the summit the wrong way. or Surely they would put them back on if only for a little insulation. If so, they may have wandered across the field looking for the original path back and got themselves well and truly lost. EERIE photos discovered on a camera belonging to two missing hikers revealed their mysterious final moments before both girls vanished in the jungle in Panama. In 2020 the number of international visitors to Australia dropped to 6.7 million due . I wish we had the answers to your questions. At this point I have to agree with him, and I think its likely the trail guide and some men they met were somehow involved. With all the misinformation thrown out there and poor follow up work (likely to protect tourism), any ones guess is possible. If you follow down from the two red objects, there appears to be something that looks almost like blocks or siding shingles. I wrote about the upcoming book here: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/12/09/new-book-coming-spring-2021-kris-kremers-and-lisanne-froon-case/. I cant explain the calls or photos or intact skin that was found. I find it really creepy, but maybe Im looking at it wrong due to shadows and light. In fact, to bring a dog for a walk is less common in general, because most dogs are permitted to go outside anytime they want. The back of the shirt was soiled (you interpret). Its too cold to sleep at night, so they try to keep moving, until, in the darkness Kris falls down a ravine, hitting her head, and going into a coma. Likelihood the predator will strike again: 99.9% unless predator has died. So its kind of curious that the most critical images are either cropped or missing entirely. Also, sometimes the investigations go dead because the government wants the story to go away in order for the tourist trade to not be hurt. Yes the dog was owned by Giovanni and Doris, the owners of Il Pianista Restaurant. 2. She uses Kris phone, instinctively entering her own pin number. Why would that be? Thats from her palm. I do get very creepy and bad vibes from this photo though. Well-worn paths do not lead into a pit. Thats perplexing to me. People have long realized that its up to the public to solve this. https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CJKQMGxJ1Kc/XH7ld3XtSnI/AAAAAAAAjOg/kechIb5Cge8msf5kRVinBCrEjIiBCl7TwCLcBGAs/s1600/7reCdlm.jpg, Actually heres uncompressed upscaled original image (upscaled and color corrected with AI). And remember that the legitimate photos we have came from Juan. Rest fell off of the one hour bridge in Bastrop brains and on the rocks below some photos show her dead body laying down there. Perhaps the killer of Catherine Johanet knows more, Hi, u might want to watch this vid it has theories dat i think might giv more insights to this case, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCaD8kRTwsI. If thats what Im seeing, I have no doubt that it was murder and that this photo and several others have been manipulated. Most travelers that have big experiences want to remember the small details of trips, because the trip represents an important memory in their life. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). Tourists are usually only targeted when something goes wrong or someone has a specific personal problem with foreigners or a subset of foreigners. For a time, manysuspected Froon and Kremers never got lost on the mountain, but wereinstead victims of a crime in town; this later proved false. Again, these are just observations. The theories go from accident to a crime to a combination of both. In Central America, dogs arent usually seen as something to protect and cuddle. Over 60% of the missing person cases involving foreigners in the Cancun area have not been solved according to a new report. Missing Lynn Haven juveniles. They got lost and succumbed to the wild. Hi Chris thanks for the link to the book. Hello and thank you for doing such a thorough research. The picture just before this one appears to be higher in elevation, meaning that from the direction they were coming, a pit trap being place around this area could/would be ideal. Europe is the world . A woman from the localNgbetribeturned in a blue backpack she claimed she found along the bankof a nearby river. People claiming the floor is made out of skulls, that there is a booby trap above her head, that there are 5 men with rifles watching her, that there are snakes hanging down, that she is at some sort of human sacrificial alter etc. I dont buy it that those girls were murdered on the pianista trail. The next morning, on April 2nd, a substantial earthquake of magnitude 6.0 hits Panama at 11:13 AM. According to Wisconsin Sen. Tammy Baldwin's office, the U.S. Coast Guard provided Panamanian authorities with technical modeling to support the search for the aircraft. If you are sending an SOS message then they are received 24 hours a day. I am very familiar with the Koude Kas posts. Do mobile phones store the number entered? The stats leave 42 cases currently open since 2007. Possibly ambushed and didnt have time? I think the last three photos of Kris show a definite change in mood. Sue Borries and Debra Ann Velleman are pictured in undated composite image. It would be interesting to know exactly where this photo was taken Is it along the main trail north of the Mirador en route to the stream crossing? This is an excellent analysis. Or another type of colorful animal found in the jungle? Before you even pointed out the manmade ceiling structure I noticed that. Possibly that info can help. There are over 30 fingerprints on the blue backpack which belongs to one of the girls, but they dont want to investigate the fingerprints. Im always reviewing their case and looking for answers. He has some resources at his disposal. So they made it out of there, The picture with her standing at cave entrance is also the same place she was standing in dark way off in background. Another thing that crossed my mind is what if the backpack & items had been kept as like a trophy of the killings, & a local knew thats what it was aware of the incident & grabbed it & left it somewhere to be found to try & help shed light on the case the best way they could. I was surprised to learn that. They could have been a target early on. Something happened between the morning and afternoon of the 5th because it was in the afternoon that a wrong pin was entered and subsequently every time thereafter. Seriously? One or more abductor did know the phone PIN but not all people involved knew. thank you for sharing this. Their families went to the police to. Perhaps he gave some other persons a lift with the girls as is one of the stories out there. In the leaked images some 90% of the original information is irretrievably lost trying to read anything into any of the remaining spots and splotches is fools errand. These other comments are just people seeing what they want to see, to make things more mysterious. If they had solved the case, the international community (and the families) would have been satisfied and let it fade into history. Ive kept comments on this article open for civil and respectful discussion. Aside from the various graffiti markings, the one thing that looks potentially creepy is the circular, hanging object. . Sorry to bring up the dog again. There are some walls of rock in an area which I think is called los Naranjos, not too far from the Pianista trail (relatively speaking) and is where people go climbing. By April 6, 2014, theparents of both women grew frantic andflew to Panama with detectives from the Netherlands. She is looking down to the left and appears to be shocked by what she sees. This makes no sense. If you are in the middle of the jungle, lost, and desperately trying to find service, why waste your battery by logging into your phone. If you find more info about this, please feel free to share it. Perhaps this stranger had suggested he could guide them on a more interesting trail, or show them something interesting in the jungle. Los expertos en conductas humanas (psiclogos, antroplogos, etc. Snoeren had called West and told her: "With all that Im reading now in the police file, it couldnt be anything else there was a certain sequence and timing to it, that had to be caused by the flash floods, typical to the region and season. It looks straight and like it may go over the eye and above it. In either case, maybe the rucksack was looted then later planted to avoid criminal implication. Most of the pictures taken on April 8 are of complete darkness while some show the jungle floor, but two pictures are alarming: one is a picture of some of the girls belongings on a rock, and the other shows the back of Kremerss head with what appears to be a bloodstain in her hair. Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon were both adventurers. Her hands are not tied. People in developed countries often have a more ideal view of what a pet represents. One was left above. If you think America is safe you are ignorant! ABC News had previously reached out to the U.S. Embassy in Panama for comment but did not receive a response. The blue item could be anything, but shows someone has been there before. If someone died, you would certainly write, Body can be found at xyz.. In fact, Im almost certain of it. He goes down some intriguing avenues which while I may not agree with either the direction or point have value because they stimulate me to think. Theres A red plastic bag above Kris in a tree to her left. Read Matts article about the daytime photos (link) for more detailed information. I dont really speculate much with psychic readings or energy. They would have shared all the info with the private investigators whom they have hired. I suspect some are aware of these things but want to cover it up. Why are you not sharing their photo number, why are you stating generalities, let me help you, there is a link with all the photos https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and_11.html Panama City Beach tourism numbers break records for 2021 - WJHG Were the photos altered in any way or is this a presumption? This tells me that they had a time in their minds of what time to leave to get back to their host home in Boquette. Numerous families of disappeared family members have contacted me from my writing and the following is nearly always the sentiment they convey: Local authorities are unreliable, careless, slow to respond, even slower to take action, and they often hinder the familys own investigations. Have you looked closely at what Chris has labelled the insignia. The guide had something to do with the girls disappearance. The backpack contained two pairs of sunglasses, $83 in cash, two bras, a water bottle - and importantly, Lisanne's passport. Jalisco authorities have launched an investigation in connection with the enforced disappearance of four tourists. It was probably done by the perpetrators in order to collect the reward money. "This is a nightmare with 1,001 demons," says 40-year-old Oscar, who is from Colombia but was living in Bolivia. It isnt a cave, somebody has shown in a youtube video that it us just a very deep path on the wrong side of the mountain with a sharp turn. Hi Lisa, I wrote an in-depth analysis of Kriss bones here: The government officials involved failed at providing a thorough analysis/evaluation. This article seems to have a crop from high resolution version of the above photo. This story struck my heart. Could be leaves, I suppose, but to me it looks like someone is looking at the them from the vegetation. I could go on and on. Thanks un advance, Lyn Carmichael. Theres some type of red and black object at the top of the photo. perhaps there is much that was missed by a very bungled police investigation. It is a suicide decision and they, experienced travellers, know that. It even appears they have some kind tattoo on their back. It begins to rain. However, any link that requires any form of downloads, account creation or spammy activity, to view linked content, will not be permitted. There has recently been something in the news about it. After the attempted calls, the phones stayedon for some time. Im happy my work could shed some light on the possible items in the picture. Experts proposed several theories about how and why the women took thesephotos. Ive even been contacted by people in Asia. International visitor arrivals in Panama 2021 | Statista News Group Newspapers Limited in England No. However, amiscommunication led to them arriving in Boquete too early for their program, which Kremersnoted was "rude and not at all friendly" in a diary entry. There is an illustration drawn on Kriss back in the hair photo. Some of them are human, including several skulls and a young girls intact corpse, in the bottom right, with a large hole in the head. Nothing. What people are mistaking as blood from her nose and lip is again just a shadow cast from her nostril and lower lip due to the bright sun. There are so many possibilities and we will probably never really know. Not to mention her hair was down in the photos at the beginning of the hike and now they appear to be in at least two pony tails where devil horns would be. How long does an AI correction take for you to do? It would also show that the photos had been truly messed about with, as this one is supposed to come before the photos of her crossing the stream. There is so much to see and Juan is amazing. The backpack had no scratches, no marks, the camera and mobile phones inside are as good as new. Perhaps the photos served astrail markersto help the young women find their way around or back to therescuers. The dark side of cruises - MarketWatch Right now Im simply building a list of names to determine interest: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/14/organizing-a-research-team/. After this, can ANYONE IN THIS WORLD still doubt that this girl WOULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN OR PHONED HER MOTHER FOR TWO WEEKS when she also called the police 100 times? The picture people think she is looking down she is hanging with hands tied behind her back. . https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kris+and+lisanne++finanli. Also, I live in El Salvador, less than 1,000 kilometers from Panama, which has many cultural similarities. Why not just kill them and leave it be? And two months later, a pelvic bone and a foot - still inside a boot - were found in the same area, according to La Estrella de Panama. Looks like 2 blurred out people one talker than other behind her over her left shoulder or her left when looking left of pic. Poor investigations and low standards are very common in these under-developed countries. IF there was a dog with them why then did they not photograph it?

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